Updated Nov 18th, 2014
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Reeds and mouthpieces are no doubt more important to sound production than ligatures. However, how the ligature holds the reed on the mouthpiece can have a huge impact on the reed and mouthpiece’s resonation and therefore on the sound of the saxophone.
Ligatures come in many sizes, shapes and materials. Some ligatures have two screws to adjust tightness, others have a single screw, and some ligatures don’t use screws at all. The ability to adjust the screws, tightness, and placement (up and down the mouthpiece) are very important for a ligature. Moving the ligature up towards the tip of the mouthpiece and/or tightening the screws can have the effect of increasing resistance, or seemingly strengthening the reed. Moving the ligature away from the tip and/or loosening the screws creates a feeling of less resistance. To understand this effect, think of a diving board. The longer the diving board and farther the fulcrum is from the end of the board the easier it is to bounce and bend the diving board. Essentially longer diving boards are more flexible and shorter ones are stiffer.
The location on the mouthpiece where the reed is fastened to the table affects the flexibility of the reed, a ligature farther down the mouthpiece away from the tip has the same effect as lengthening a diving board. Everyone has their own preference as to where the ligature is placed, and how to tighten the screws. Remember that over tightening or cranking the screws of the ligature can weaken and eventually break the ligature.
All sorts of materials are used to make ligatures. The very first ligatures were simply string wrapped around the mouthpiece to hold the reed on. Some people still use this method! Common materials for modern ligatures include: Metal (Silver, Gold, Brass, Nickel), Leather, Plastic, Rubber, wood, synthetic (nylon). and just about anything else you can think of. Some mouthpieces have ligatures built directly into the mouthpiece, and many other mouthpieces come with their own specially fit ligatures. Not all baritone ligatures fit all baritone mouthpieces, as baritone mouthpieces tend to vary in girth and size much more greatly than other horns, especially between the larger rubber mouthpieces (Vandoren, Brilhart), and sleek metal mouthpieces (Berg Larsen, Otto Link). Prices vary greatly for ligatures, from being included free with a mouthpiece to over a hundred dollars. You should always try a ligature with your mouthpiece and set up before purchasing it to make sure it is compatible with your set up.
There are several ligatures that are very popular right now. The leather and rubber ligatures offers a very unique sound, however you may find that repeated tightening of these ligatures will cause the leather or rubber to stretch and thereby lose its ability to effectively hold the read. François Louis’ “Ultimate” ligature (See right) is very popular among jazz saxophonists. It offers a very unique sound and good versatility, and comes in several different metals. Its downside is that it is expensive and very tricky to get placed onto the mouthpiece (especially on soprano!). It is also somewhat fragile, and the cap that comes with it must be used, as most standard caps will not fit this ligature. These caps are extremely fragile and easy to lose. The Vandoren “Optimum” ligature (see right) is another popular choice. This ligature is very simple and easy to use. It comes with three different plates that can be swapped out, changing how the ligature contacts the reed and thereby affecting the sound. It provides greater projection and plays very consistently throughout all registers. Its only down is its price, but it is worth the cost if you find it improves your sound and your playing.
It is a good idea to keep your ligature clean, using warm water and soap every month or so. This will keep corrosion from building up, as well as allowing the reed to vibrate freely. When putting your saxophone away in the case it works well to leave the ligature on the mouthpiece when not in use. This provides some protection for the ligature and also ensures that it is not easily lost. If you are storing your mouthpiece and ligature for longer periods (months or years) it is better if you store them separately, especially if the mouthpiece is hard rubber. Make sure when using a hard rubber mouthpiece that the ligature is not scratching or otherwise damaging your mouthpiece.
hey Andrew
I need to know that others mouthpieces used optimum ligature metal v 16.
thanks you
The v16 optimum ligature fits the Vandoren B5, B7, and B9. It might also fit other slim baritone mouthpieces like rubber Berg Larsens.
Ligature that will correctly fit
Hite Hard Rubber Bari Sax Mouthpiece
and Jody Jazz hr Bari Mouthpiece.
Best Wishes,
Richard
It fits the RPC bari mouthpiece
I’m looking for a ligature that will fit a vintage baritone hard rubber link mp…any suggestions?
Vandoren has a few ligatures that fit their large hard rubber mouthpieces and might fit a rubber link, the MO, the Optimum, and their leather ligature.
I have a similar question. I just bought a hard rubber OL bari sax mouthpiece but the 2 different Rovner ligatures that I’ve tried are too loose. Have you had any luck? Maybe it’s just me.
i have a question did you find what ligatures fit?
I just got my tone edge, the stock ligature doesn’t fit at all. Did any of y’all find a solution?
I have a Berg Larson Baritone sax mouth piece but it has no ligature. Any recommendation?
Should also mention it’s a metal mouthpiece.
I have an Alto Saxophone. And I just broke my ligature today any recommendations? (On like what brand I need a Strong one that doesn’t bend and brake)
The Vandoren Optimum is pretty strong, although slightly more expensive than other metal ligatures. You could also look at leather or nylon ligatures (Rover or Vandoren as well). Those will be less likely to break since they are pliable instead of rigid. Good luck!
My Optimum ligature does not fit my Rousseau MP
Any tips?
If a ligature is too large, sometimes you can put a mouthpiece patch or a thick piece of tape on the back/top of the mouthpiece. If the optimum is too small you can take the plate out and invert it.
I have a dukoff sax soprano mouthpiece. Could someone tell me which François Louis Ultimate sop sax fits this mouthpiece?
I am trying out some Otto Link Super Tone Masters for my bari sax. I purchased a vandoren optimum bari ligature to use on the mouthpieces but it’s too big. Am I able to purchase a tenor or alto optimum ligature to use instead on these smaller mouthpieces?
I assume you purchased the V16 version of the baritone Optimum ligature – there are two models, one larger (LC09P) and one smaller (LC090P). If you did indeed get the smaller one and its still too large I would suggest trying the alto ligature (LC07P), not the tenor ligature (LC08P) as the tenor ligature and smaller baritone ligature are very similar in size.
I’m currently playing on a BL3 mouthpiece with an old and tarnished off-brand ligature. I’m interested in the Optimum, but in a month I’ll be switching to the S90 (my current band director likes the BL3, and the one I’m using belongs to the school) since my private lesson teavher reccomended me to. I would like to have a good ligature for contest season. I have many contests among the next 2-3 weeks. Do you know if it would fit on the S90? If you do, please let me know as soon as possible.
Thanks in advance.
I believe the diameter of the s90 and BL3 mouthpieces is fairly similar, so the Optimum ligature should work well on either. Be sure to try out all 3 plates that come with the ligature. For concert band I’d suggest either the #1 or #2 plate. Good luck!
Thanks! Yeah my private lesson teacher told me that the plate ‘wavy’ plate was the best for concert band.
What is a good ligature for a modern link? That also maintains the sax’s dark sound.
For the otto link Metal mpc , i took a cheap alto sax Ligature and screwd it doen on a reed over the mouthpiece. I slowly used my thumbs to force/form the metal around the contours of the Baritone Otto Link. It was the only ligature Ive ever loved. The otto link dial ligature is terrible. I thought it was defective and ordered a new one just to be sure…. turns out the design stinks.
What Ligature would work well for a Brilhart Tonalin 5, Baritone Sax. Tenor Sax lIgature? The rovner Baritone Ligature is a tad Big. Although id much rather a traditional Metal 2 screw Ligature. Thanks
This is a great website for bari players, thank you. My 2 cents on ligatures, I’ve been using the Rovner ligatures since they came on the market. I now use the Rovner Platinum (the only metal ligature they make) on my bari mouthpiece, and I love it. Also, Rovner’s are not made out of leather or rubber so they do not stretch unlike some of the fake Rovner’s do. To get the right size for your mouthpiece, you can get on the Rovner website, pick your ligature, tell them what mouthpiece you have, and you’ll get the right one. You can even send in the measurements of your mouthpiece and Rovner will tell you which one to get. Yup, happy camper here!!!
Would like some advice on a ligature for an Arnold Brilhart metal mouthpiece (43074 5 star) for a baritone saxophone. My daughter was given this mouthpiece and she really likes it, however it needs a new ligature. We have visited our local music stores and they have nothing that comes close to fitting it. My daughter plays flute and bassoon and picked up the bari sax a few months ago. Appreciate any guidance!
Hi Teresa,
I don’t know if anyone else replayed to you but, I have that same mouthpiece and I love it. I’ve been using the Rovner ligature on it for so many years, I cant remember when I got it. Works great. You can buy them directly from the Rovner website if you’re local music store doesn’t carry them or the right size.
Hello,
I just bougth a V5 B95 Vandorem baritone mouthpiece and I’m looking for a good ligature fit…any recomm please ?
Vandoren makes 3 different ligatures that fit that mouthpiece specifically – the Optimum, the M|O and a Leather ligature. They all work well, but without any more information i’d recommend the Optimum. It has 3 interchangeable plates that each have a slightly different sound and response so its like 3 ligatures in one. Enjoy!
Hi! Can someone recommend me a ligature for a metal Otto Link Florida Bari mouthpiece?
I have a lot of problems to find any who fits fine… Thanks in advance and greetings from Mex City
I have a Cannonball c* bari sax MP and am looking for a ligiture that will fit it because its too slim for my normal one. My coluges recommended a small tennor ligature (like a American Plating standard) would that work? Thanks in advance.
Hi, would love a recommendation for a Meyer HR bari mouthpiece, Have tried rovner leather and it did not work for me.